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© 2011 Eric Odom - Movement Politics
This is the first time (I think) that I’ve ever addressed the Obama birth certificate issue in a public manner. I’ve never personally felt the urge to make my thoughts known on the issue, but I get COUNTLESS emails on the subject and felt it finally warranted a response.
It’s the question asked, disputed, “debunked” and yes… still in many ways unanswered… where is Barack Obama’s official birth certificate?
Donald Trump is making a lot of waves as of late due to his uncanny ability to grab headlines combined with his constant mention of Obama’s birth certificate. Or, rather, depending on your view of the scenario… a lack there of.
I view the “birtherism” realm a bit differently than most. I personally have not seen enough evidence to, without a doubt, prove the story in one way or another. So I’m not a “all in” believer that Barack Obama was born outside of America.
Put me in the group called “why would a sitting American President even allow the question to still exist?”
First, let me state that I think it’s a travesty to see so many in our movement insulted, mocked and discredited for asking questions about the birth certificate. I especially find it disturbing that beltway organizations (conservative) have in many cases cast out those who have questions on the subject. Even some tea party organizations tow the establishment line by refusing to allow members to openly ask the question in a calm and inquisitive manner.
Not only is it natural for Americans to question our leaders… it’s our duty. If you’re one who believes someone is “crazy” or “nutty” for asking a legitimate question, you’re playing against our instinct as born and raised Americans.
The ruling class has the schools and press under its thumb. This enables it to sway the emotions of the masses. -Albert Einstein
The reason I see the birth certificate as a serious issue is because if in the off chance it is true, and whether you like it or not… there is a possibility that it is, it would be the greatest political con in the History of America. With this in mind, until it is proven without a doubt to be false, it is our duty to seek the truth.
Many patriots are indeed doing this and they should not be rebuked for it. You may or may not agree with it, but you shouldn’t look down on anyone for choosing a path you have not.
Now, let’s look at the evidence. The claim that Obama is an American born in Hawaii and a copy of his birth certificate is widely available is easily up for dispute.
If you read this post, for example, you’ll find significant evidence to counter the certificate claim. In fact, evidence seen in the post is in no shortage and readily available.
Keep in mind the following:
-Barack Obama has, on several occasions, failed to keep his word. In fact, you could easily argue he looks right into the camera and lies.
-Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign was run by professional AstroTurf consultants. See here and here.
-Obama and his team of Chicago AstroTurf professional were working towards the most powerful office in the world… President of the United States of America.
If you didn’t read the link I posted about the “picture” of the “certificate,” read it now. It’s worth the read, even if you do not believe there is possibility of something fishy going on.
Think about it… through political kick backs, contracts, jobs and influence, these guys running Obama’s machine are dealing with hundreds of millions of dollars. And they got where they are through tricking people into doing something they didn’t really need to do.
Knowing this, wouldn’t you agree that if a stumbling block appeared in their path to power… they would do anything necessary to remove it? To think otherwise would be incredibly naive.
To back up a bit… let me say again that I do not fully believe one way or another. But there is an element to all of this that I find very troubling. My question isn’t just “why won’t you just end all of this and take a team of bloggers, voters, reporters, etc into the Hawaii public office and have your actual birth record observed?” when it comes to this issue.
My questions goes a bit deeper. As in, what kind of individual gets elected as President of the most powerful country in the world, then toys with Americans asking questions about his birth certificate? And worse, what kind of people sit in TV studios of “authentic media outlets,” mocking those who ask the real questions? What does it say about our Congress and Intelligence agencies that none are willing to end it all by providing an indisputable answer to the simple questions being asked?
Americans have every right to ask this question of our President. If our President doesn’t think it legitimate to be asked, and doesn’t go to every length possible to answer the question, my assertion is that he is not fit to be President of this great nation.
For me personally, it’s less about the document and more about the man behind it.
So, that’s my two on the issue. What are your thoughts?
-Eric Odom
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I agree with everything you said. 100%. You have voiced my questions and concerns. 100%.
Doesn’t matter if true or not. if not, who cares? If is true, it will be covered for as long as is needed.
THAT’S EXACTALLY WHAT MATTERS……… LET’S UNCOVER FRAUD IN GOVERNMENT BEFORE THE UNCHANGEABLE CONCEQUENCES. THEY LAUGH AT PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND GET WHAT THEY WANT, SUBVERSION. TO QUESTION, THAT’S CALLED PATRIOTISM. ADHERE TO THE CONSTITUTION
Who cares? Anybody who wants the constitution upheld. If we loose the constitution, we lose everything!
Answer to your questions.
#1
This will take a few minutes to listen to…but it is time for our congress to take action and start impeachment action against this
illegally elected president….Send this to all on your email list.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded
#2 long but full of great info.
The Framers Used Emer de Vattel, Not William
Blackstone to Define a “Natural Born Citizenâ€
by: Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
The question which has gripped our nation is whether Barack Obama is eligible to be President and Commander in Chief. Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 provides that: “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President…..
A lot more info in between here.
The Constitution should be honored and enforced in the way that it was written and originally intended by the Framers rather than in a way that pleases political parties or some political majority. Needed changes to it brought about by social evolution should not be made for political expediency by political parties or voting majorities without going through the formal amendment process prescribed by the Constitution itself in Article V. It has always been Emer de Vattel that provided our nation with the definition of an Article II “natural born Citizen’ and not William Blackstone. It is this definition that the Founders and Framers used to define the clause and it is this definition which should be enforced for the national security reasons of it being there if we are to be true to the Constitution and the rule of law.
Obama fails to meet this definition because if he was born in Hawaii, he was born to a British father and a U.S. citizen mother and he himself was born a British citizen under the British Nationality Act of 1948, causing him to be born with allegiance to Great Britain and to the United States. The U.S. State Department has confirmed that Obama was born with dual allegiances. Leventhal cites FactCheck.org to state, “Obama was originally both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies from 1961 to 1963 given that his father was from Kenya, which gained its independence from the British Empire in 1963. Upon independence, Obama became both a U.S. and Kenyan citizen from 1963 to 1982 [should be 1984], and solely a U.S. citizen after that.” The entry “The Obama Birth Controversy” was written by Todd Leventhal, the chief of the Counter-Misinformation Team for the U.S. Department of State.
While today our law does not provide for merger of the wife’s citizenship into that of the husband, Obama was still born to an alien father and as a British citizen himself, thereby causing him to lack unity of citizenship and sole allegiance to the United States at birth, necessary conditions to be an Article II “natural born Citizen.†It should be noted that Obama’s father was in the United States on a temporary student visa and he returned to Kenya after his studies were complete. Hence, he never had an intention to become domiciled in the United States. On the other hand, Obama’s mother was not only a U.S. citizen but also domiciled in the United States. Assuming that Obama’s parents were domiciled in the United States and that he was born in the United States (a fact which he has yet to conclusively prove), which would arguably all make him “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,†he was at most born a “citizen of the United States†under the Fourteenth Amendment and a citizen of Great Britain under the British Nationality Act of 1948. While such dual citizenship creates dual allegiances, under current interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment’s “subject to the jurisdiction thereof†clause, such dual allegiances would not prevent him from being a born “citizen of the United States.†But they would prevent him from being an Article II “natural born Citizen,†which constitutional status does not produce dual allegiances at birth. Obama is therefore not eligible to be President.
Finally, if Obama was not born in the United States, he would not even be a “citizen of the United States†under the version of Section 301(g) of the Immigration Nationality Act that was in effect in 1961 because his 18-year-old U.S. citizen mother was too young when he was born to pass her U.S. citizenship to him under that law as it existed then.
Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
Go here to read it all. Also the 20th amendment.
The Twentieth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads in part:
Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
Caught in a Lie
Barack Hussein Obama never qualified for the Presidency under the Twentieth Amendment to the Constitution and must immediately step down. Because the failure to qualify was known to Barack and Michelle Obama, Biden, the Democratic National Committee, former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Governor Abercrombie and the State of Hawaii at a minimum, the entire process of certification of the 2008 vote of the Electoral College on January 8, 2009, was fraudulent and is thus retroactively null and void. It matters not that the ‘process was completed’ if the underlying information used to complete the process was known to be fraudulent, and further, that there was a conspiracy to hide this information from the public.
No Obama Executive Order, military order, appointment at any level of government, signed legislation, treaty negotiations, foreign agreements, or military, foreign or domestic actions can be presumed legal. Obama’s words are meaningless and do not represent the views of the United States. Moreover, active espionage is underway the longer Obama remains occupying the White House and learning the intricacies of national defense and security.
Speaker Boehner and Representative Issa, there is no need for hearings or investigations. It is within your authority and is your solemn responsibility to act in a Constitutional manner to rectify an egregious error:
and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
Obama has no authority to even give a ‘State of the Union’ address and must stand down.
STOP THEM COLD.
ARREST ALL THE CRIMINALS AND PUT THEM ON TRIAL FOR TREASON!
Published January 21, 2011 Action , congress , constitution , usurper 132 Comments
Tags: Article II, eligibility, obama, usurp
©2011 drkate
(h/t toto)
#3
Obama Fails Under the 20th Amendment
Published January 21, 2011 Action , congress , constitution , usurper 132 Comments
Tags: Article II, eligibility, obama, usurp
©2011 drkate
(h/t toto)
The Twentieth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads in part:
Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
Caught in a Lie
Barack Hussein Obama never qualified for the Presidency under the Twentieth Amendment to the Constitution and must immediately step down. Because the failure to qualify was known to Barack and Michelle Obama, Biden, the Democratic National Committee, former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Governor Abercrombie and the State of Hawaii at a minimum, the entire process of certification of the 2008 vote of the Electoral College on January 8, 2009, was fraudulent and is thus retroactively null and void. It matters not that the ‘process was completed’ if the underlying information used to complete the process was known to be fraudulent, and further, that there was a conspiracy to hide this information from the public.
No Obama Executive Order, military order, appointment at any level of government, signed legislation, treaty negotiations, foreign agreements, or military, foreign or domestic actions can be presumed legal. Obama’s words are meaningless and do not represent the views of the United States. Moreover, active espionage is underway the longer Obama remains occupying the White House and learning the intricacies of national defense and security.
Speaker Boehner and Representative Issa, there is no need for hearings or investigations. It is within your authority and is your solemn responsibility to act in a Constitutional manner to rectify an egregious error:
and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
Obama has no authority to even give a ‘State of the Union’ address and must stand down.
STOP THEM COLD.
ARREST ALL THE CRIMINALS AND PUT THEM ON TRIAL FOR TREASON!
AND FREE TERRY LAKIN IMMEDIATELY.
i’ll second linda’s comment. i too am not sold either way on this and agree with your other points completely. this matter speaks volumes about bo’s character if nothing else.
and, if the truth comes out at some point to reveal that obama wasn’t born here it will be a mark against the democratic party for many years to come. not to mention a disgrace for the country as a whole.
when more than one person knows a secret it can’t stay a secret forever.
my question is….WHY did he not have to show it to be on the ballot? don’t have one? can’t be on the ballot! this is like shutting the barn door after the horse has escaped. why are there not black and white rules for this? why are there not black and white rules for accounting and the economy? I don’t get it!
Far too many questions remain unanswered for this to simply go away!
Before seeking high office he traveled all over the world with passports which require country of citizenship. I have seen many questions regarding why NO classmates or instructors from Columbia or Harvard will come forward to say they ever took classes with him.
I don’t have an opinion other than as an American citizen, I have the right to know the leader of my country is legit!
As I understand it, he had to show his proof of citizenship/age to the then Speaker of the House during the DNC Convention. The Speaker then signs a form attesting to that verification.
It is also pretty much a universally held belief that members of our Congress cannot read, so I’m guessing that Candidate Obama showed Speaker Pelosi a menu from the Cheesecake Factory…
Actually there is an unverified rumor that that verification form was “messed up” due to improper witnesses to its signing and had to be redone – much like how the Presidential Oath of Office was redone.
Oh that is a fantastic answer. Just fantastic! When you bring up Pelosi, the fact that our Congress cannot read and the fact that they “messed up” the Presidential oath, it shows us right from the beginning this guy was bad news. We need to hold his feet to the fire until all our questions are answered.
I agree whole heartedly. As a matter of fact I am ashamed to admit that I am somewhat of a “birther” in that I do not believe its been proven that he was born in the US. I ran from the label “birther”. Whats odd is that I hate the liberal media and yet I am totally letting them do what it is they do on this issue and that is make me feel stupid for asking this legitimate question. I am thrilled that Trump is looking into it and hope we get an answer. I’m glad you addressed it and gave it back the legitimacy this issue deserves.
We as Amercan’s deserve the truth since this Administration is bank rupting
our NATION and out GRAND CHILDREN’S FUTURE!!!
Shoud the President lie about where he was BORN, and lie every time
he reads the telecomptor, WHAT MORE WOULD HE LIE ABOUT!
I really don’t know if he is a citizen or not, but I do have questions and I believe that ALL Americans have a right to have these questions answered. He may be a citizen, but if his father was really Barrack H Obama Sr. then there is no way that in the terms of the Constitution as written that he is a “natural born citizen” of the United States because his father was a British subject at the time of his birth. I wrote “if his father was really Barrack H Obama Sr” because I think that may be the secret that is hidden on the birth certificate as in the researches of Jack Cashill. What I think is hidden is an entire life of lies that began with his mother and grandparents and continues.
Further, what kind of man would allow a military officer go to jail rather than provide EVERY possible evidence that he is, in fact, the legitimate POTUS.
Of course this matters! I believe that it’s because it matters, and that it matters a great deal, that many are made uncomfortable by even considering the possiblilties if it’s shown that there is a pretender in the oval office. Would not his illigitimacy make much of what he’s done invalid? More basically, it gets back to Consititution – if the requisites for candidacy for federal office don’t matter to us, they’re surely not going to matter to Barry’s shills in the media!!
The issue of Obama’s legitimacy is two-fold in that he has not proven where he was born, and his father was not a natural born US citizen. There’s also some question as to his mother’s legitimacy.
I had to show my birth certificate when I got my original drivers license. It shouldn’t be a big deal unless he’s hiding something.
Not only is the lack of producing the birth certificate troubling, but also, the lack of providing college transcripts, etc. is another sign of covering/hiding a past for which one does not want all to know.
To be President, you must meet a higher citizenship test…
You miissed it. But because you are open to discussion we can talk about the real issue. To be President, the requirement is beyond that of a Senator or Govenor. You have to be a “Natural Born Citizen”. This does not mean your Mama had no pain killers during birth nor a C-Sect.
The Birth Certificate answers the question, does Obama meet the higher standard of being a Natural Born Citizen. The answer we all know is that his Father was not a U.S. Citizen and he therefore is not eligible.
Thanks for opening up, so we can have a dialog.
Sorry, but I am of the camp that the whole birth certificate thing is a giant smoke screen to keep our attention focused away from the REAL issue, which is … the definition of a “natural born” American. I am of the camp that back in the days of our founding fathers, a natural born was one whose father was a citizen of the U.S. I personally prefer the definition that a natural born is one whose father and mother both are U.S. citizens, but I’ll accept for now that just the father must be a citizen. In either event, Obama doesn’t qualify since even he admits that his father was Kenyan.
I wonder if he was born in the US, but from what I’ve learned is that even if he was born in the US, he is still not legimate to be President of the United States because BOTH parents were not NATURAL BORN CITIZENS. His father a Kenyan and at that time Kenya was under the British. So his father was under British Rule. That makes Obama not eligible right there. The question is, WHY has this been ignored?????? Why was he allowed to run and be sworn in as President???
I do not understand why the thinking people of the US have allowed the Obama Administration and Democratic Party to control the dialog on the Birther Issue. We the people have allowed them to hyjack the issue and to control the dialoge by labeling us as Birthers. Instead of insisting on seeing his birth certificate we should be insisting on seeing all of Obama’s school, public and political records as is required of our presidential candidates. John McCain was forced to show all yet Obama has hidden and sealed all from public view. The birth certificate is only the first of a lifetime of hidden documentation that should be available to us all. There are major questions like why both Obama’s surrendered their law degrees. Don’t let them get away with dismissing us as Birthers when in reality we are trying to determine who is leading this country in such a questionable manner. Release all information as would be expected by any honorable person.
Bama as with any President had to be vetted and approved. The vetting was done by his friend Valerie Jarrett, a Chicago slum lord & approved by Reid & Pelosi. In my humble opinion: 1. Why would anyone spend over 2 million dollars in courts to NOT show their birth certificate if it was legal? 2. Given the fact a large portion of our current governemnt are socialistic/progressive and their idea is to CHANGE the world into a “One World Order” through the lies of “global warning”, stealing our lands, wetlands, publishing lies in our school books to “Dumb Down” our kids – on and on since the Clinton Administration with all the United nations agreements Clinton agreed to – I could go one forever – the powers to be could have pulled this off 3. If we were ever to succeed in bringing charges of Treason there are many other government officials who would also go down also.
America needs to wake up and take control of the government.
This is a disgrace, just show it and this is over,what is his problem, he is loosing faith with eveyone !!!!!! This is serious !!!!
Here’s a thought: what if his birth certificate, next to the space that says “Race” says “White”. If the nurse asked his mother what to write it’s entirely plausable that she said “White” and Obama would fight tooth and nail to keep that under wraps! It’s Half true.
I have learned, and it usually holds true, people that “hide” things are guilty of something. It’s human nature. Now, is the fact that he hasn’t produced a “real” birth certificate because he’s arrogant and doesn’t have to or is it because there isn’t one? I think, like Trump and so many other people have said, “Just produce it”! The fact that he IS so radical and not good for our country, leaves people looking for ways to debunk his illegibility and get him impeached. Desperate times require desperate measures. Let Trump keep bringing it to the table, maybe he’ll get something done about it?
I am not convinced that BO is truthful. I think he is a manipulator that exceeds the talents(in that regard) of B.C.
That being said, I am confused about what the legal records are in Hawaii. Some place said that the ‘live birth’ certificate is the legal record. So is there a seperate birth certificate? I don’t know. Do other Hawaiians have additional birth certificates? If so, then BO should produce one or be investigated.
I do find it strange that they(BO croonies) cannot put this to rest. There is usually an element of truth to these rumors.
Very well expressed, Eric, and I feel the same way. I have never understood either why such a simple question was not put to bed long ago. I have been arguing that to prevent such a controversy from ever happening again, it should be required by some official body, perhaps the Federal Election Commission, that EVERY candidate provide an original Birth Certificate before their name can be placed on the ballot for President. I had to provide an original Birth Certificate to get a Passport. It isn’t an unreasonable requirement.
The Democrats are scared to death Americans will wake up to the big Con and by attacking and calling names they can silence the issue. We should know by now that anything they really really demonize…. we need to look into!
Well, the governor of Hawaii was going to end it and then decided he could not. I think he found out that it did not exist and had to continue the controversy.
So you decide.
It is LAW that one be born in USA to become President and the real issue is he hasn’t shown this proof for the job. It then boils down to what Eric said, the character of this man. I believe he really has something to hide when he won’t put the matter to rest and would rather make fun of American citizens who ask a legitimate job-qualifying question. I only pray that someone with money and resources like Trump can uncover the truth. I think they should have legislation that requires a candidate show proof – after all, that person is hired by us, not the other way around.
Expertly put! Also, why is he supposely paying so much money to keep the records from being seen? The man is definitely hiding something and we all know he says one thing and does another. Whatever he is hiding must be worth the hassel for him even though the spin has hit the Republicans as if it is a “crazy” issue for us not him. The Democrats have the media on their side which is well known, but it still makes people who ask questions about the birth certificate issue feel strange; like there is something wrong with them because the media just laughs and says otherwise. Thank goodness for Trump…he is keeping this alive. I say keep it alive until he proves otherwise. Who knows what we will find?!
His mother was born in the United States, therefore he is an American. This is my understanding of the rules. Please correct me if I’m wrong
Not necessarily. Kenya does not allow dual citizenship, and the US has rules regarding native-born vs. natural-born citizens running for public office. I personally don’t think Obama is not a US citizen, but the fact that John McCain had to prove his citizenship via showing an official birth certificate should be reason enough for Obama to put all doubts aside and show his. There probably is something embarassing on the official birth certificate that would erode Obama’s support with his base, so he’s reluctant to show it.
eal, please read my comments below.
The issues seem highly simple, when looked at from simple deductive reasoning:
#1 There is clear language expressed within the US Constitution that I’ll paraphrase to state, to wit: The President must be a natural-born citizen in order to qualify for sitting as a US President. This is not contested!
#2 It is settled fact and (uncontested) that Barack H. Obama Sr. was a British Citizen as of the date of BHO Jr.’s birthdate, and the former Obama is clearly listed as the latter’s father…thereby making the newborn Obama, subject to both the British and United States under joint allegience.
#3 It is settled fact that joint allegience by any newborn, disqualifies him or her as a Natural Born US Citizen…and therefore ineligable to serve as the President of these United States!
#4 As a degreed Doctor of Jurisprudence, Obama is as a result of this, an Officer of all the Courts within the US Judicial System…including all Federal Courts, in addition to being a purported US Constitutional Scholar. Obama has no defense of failure to know the laws and therefore is liable for his fraudulent acts perpetrating this hoax upon the public.
Conclusion: It is our shared responsibility to demand of our Congress to launch a formal investigation of these facts, crimes, and allegations, and if affirmed, to call for immediate filing of papers to remove him from office, and to cause him, his associates, his eligibility committee within the U.S. House of Representatives including former speaker, Nancy Pelosi, his co-conspirators and all accomplaces, to stand trial in US Federal Court for the charges of Treason, Fraud, and Conspiring to commit a public hoax responsible for usurping the United States Constitution and all of its laws.
Thank You
Mitch Reed
Author of:
O.O.O. Obsessing On Obsession…the documentary.
Having been born in Hawaii myself, I wrote away several years ago to the, hmmm, think it was the health dept, and got an official copy of my Birth Certificate… It was a trivial exercise to get the certificate (and I didn’t even have an army like staff of minions to do this for me!) Given the triviality, It does beg the question of why a certificate has not been openly produced.
BTW, if you want to put a FL registered Tea Party candidate forward for the next election, I’ll produce my official Hawaii Birth Certificate… And at the presidential debates… the show stopper… Here’s my birth certificate… where’s yours??? hehehe
I also agree with everything people have said here. This matter is very important; SOMEthing is being covered up. Is it just an embarrassment for Barack or his mother, or is it something more important? Mr. Obama has been very vocal denouncing all the ‘wrongs’ by those who ‘treat him like a dog’. Why is he so noticeably quiet about this?
This is absolutely a legitimate issue because it’s a CONSTITUTIONAL issue. Who would spend a nickel to suppress a TRUE birth certificate unless there was something on it that you don’t want people to see or unless there really isn’t a TRUE birth certificate? It’s a fact that a ‘Certificate of Live Birth’, which is what Obama has produced, can be obtained by someone NOT born in Hawaii. So, you can call me whatever you want, but show the TRUE birth certificate and I’ll shut up. Until then, I question Obama’s legitimacy to be president.
I saw the dimwits statement on video when he was running for senator…the part where he said “he couldn’t run for President because he wasn’t a natural born citizen!!” Isn’t it amazing how easily people put statements like that in the bottom drawer of the cabinet and forget them? The man is a fraud and should be tried and imprisoned for treason imho!
I agree with everyone that this lack of proof is unbelievable. I think he is a”great pretender” in the white house. Time is up. Go Don Trump! Go for the throat!
I think you are wrong! Its it’s more about the document and more about the man behind it. Then the document will be used as a tool that has never existed with all the fraud behind it, such as a phoney social security number, etc. then every bill this scum bag has implimented will be null and void including his two supreame court apointees! That also would mean the John McCain would win by default! Then Hillary could sue Obama for punitive damages also! That also means that not only would this scum bag be imprisioned for total destruction of our constitution he would probably require a military style treason and execution in front ofa firring squad! this is a very serious problem this scum bag has created our country, and all the low lifes that want to march in his behalf and create problems then the Military should declair marshall Law and shoot those idiots also.
I personally believe that there is something on the certificate that is embarrassing. Such as Muslim faith, Barry Soto who applied for and obtained foreign student monies to attend education classes in the U.S., real father as someone known to be our enemy, race as causation and then there is British citizenship same as Obama Sr. There may be others but these are the main ones that I have heard.
Excellent article Eric! Could not have written it better myself and I agree with every word.
Thank you for lending your voice to the question of BO’s legitimate citizenship. I feel as if I’ve been banging my head on the wall about his legal status and nobody listens…except maybe Dr. James David Manning. BO won’t disprove any claims against his voiced past and has proven over and over again to be a liar. He is a global embarrassment. The one brilliant thing he has done is snowball a whole country into thinking he is a black savior when, in fact, he is neither.
Just looking at the released certificate for the president at http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg
vs. my Honolulu, Hawaii birth certificate (issued in 1958); it looks near identical.
Couple of nuances:
Mine reads “DATE RECEIVED BY LOCAL REGISTRAR”, then, below that,
“DATE COPY WAS ISSUED”
My form Rev. date 2/97 vs. his 11/01
And it would really be helpful to see the reverse side of his certificate to see when copy was made, and registrar’s certification…
Hi Clark,
I think the most critical point you raised, goes to what the signifigance of 11/01 form revision date vs yours. What was BO doing or planning back in 2001 (or later of course) that required another copy of birth records? Likely he had to submit something else to the colleges and passport office as well as Illinois for getting into the Senate, which had to pre-date this form/copy of the COLB.
Also what of the 3 SSN’s including from CT in 1978 (estimated), as well as the biggest and best point Trump should focus on more than the cert itself – that is the alleged spending of 2.0 to now $2.5 MILLION to hide everything from his records in Indonesia on…. This alone is indefensible and I hope Trump keeps hammering on it and he is “drawing them out” by all this light is shined.
If it were demonstrated that Obama is not natural born, simple logic would hold that by being ineligible to be President he is not now and never was President. To impeach him would be to tacitly grant that he is President, but if he is not President, he’s not subject to impeachment. The Twenty-fifth Amendment, Section 1 provides for a Vice President to become President in only three instances: “…the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation…” The office wouldn’t be vacant for any of these reasons, so the Vice President would stay in place. Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 of the Constitution never anticipated the crisis we would have on our hands: “The Congress may determine the Time of choosing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes…” This not only would be time-consuming, there is no provision for an interim President during the election process.
Am I missing something?
I believe (sadly, I have to use that word rather than know the truth) that Obama was born in the US. But I think there’s something fishy about his birth certificate. But personally, I want to know why we can’t read his thesis/dissertation? Why are the American people barred from reading those when most dissertations are easily available for legal purchase. And given all those years at university, where are all the papers he wrote? Why are the only two written works we have by him his “autobiographies”?
I agree.
However, the issue must be forced. He should not be allowed to run for a second term without providing a valid copy of the certificate.
Given the growing number of people being allowed into the country illegally by this president as well as several preceeding him, we must have a mechanism by which citizenship is documented and made public before anyone can run for public office. This essential step must NOT be allowed to be in the hands of politicians of the same party as the candidate.
For members of the House of Representatives:
“No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.”
For the Senate:
“No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.”
For the President:
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
I believe this president WANTS chaos in the country. There are so many examples — not passing a budget until the last minute; extending tax rates for only two years; not supplying proof he says he has of his country of origin; passing a health care overhaul that is not first made public and thoroughly understood; stopping offshore drilling; suing a state like Arizona for trying to protect its own boarders; having no firm policy on Libya and the middle east in general; threatening to cut the pay of the military; and so many more.
When there is chaos, more and more people turn to the government (which, under Obama, has grown by 200,000 new jobs). He knows this. He is an agitator, not a leader. The birth certificate issue is just one of many ways he has shown his real agenda for the country.
This diverts attention away from two basic questions that should be asked instead of “where is the birth certificate?”. The first question is what are the legal requirements for being a “natural born citizen? Some would say that both parents need to be US citizens however the courts refuse to take up the question to resolve the legal issue. The second question is what records should be open to public scrutiny when a person is a presidential candidate? It seems clear that Obama is not interested in transparency and he has a very dark past with his radical associations. I am more concerned with his radical tendencies than where he was born. Too many politicians and pundits are willing to assert that “he was born in the US” without even the proof required in some states for a drivers license.
I believe Obama is the illegitimate son of Frank Davis Marshall (?) and therefore is son of U.S. citizen. And he doesn’t want it known he is a true bastard.
The American people (and their leaders) are no more concerned with following the US Constitution than the Children of Israel were concerned with keeping the 10 commandments, when they swore to keep them at the mountain of God, and then abruptly built a golden calf only minutes after swearing the oath! Why did Arron build the golden calf? Because it was what the people wanted.
The ‘law’ says the president must be natural born, but in the end, it does not matter unless the people reject a man that has not met this standard, and the people did not reject Obama, but voted him into office. It is at the very root of the problem of, “government by and for the people”. Whatever the people want is what the people get.
Now government by law requires that the people actually keep it, but as history has shown, all men (and all governments of men), have failed because of the corrupt nature in man and the desire to please the ruled rather than doing what is right or follow the law. This is why the republican congress will not do their constitutional duty and remove this man from office. They fear the people more than the written law.
All history has shown this principle repeating itself over and over again. Even bible history shows that Saul, (the first king of Israel), disobeyed God and did what the people wanted, leading to the destruction of his throne.
America is failing because the people have corrupted themselves into a culture of theft, and their man Obama is giving them what they want, and as long as he is meeting their demands (or enough of them to stay in power), he will not be removed, no matter if he never produces his birth certificate.
Oops! Frank Marshall Davis (?) That is who, I believe, is his father and makes him a U.S. citizen.
Interesting! My original reply to this site was “monitored” out and does not appear. I wonder why, because I said he was a true Bastard, the illigetimate son of Davis?
I believe Obama is evil and a Traitor to this Country. The truth is just not in him or his ilk.
I had to produce a ligitimate birth certificate to get a driver’s license and to join the armed forces. My son, born in Honolulu, HI in 1962 (In Kapiolani Hospital) had to have a ligitimate birth certificate to get a driver’s license and to join the armed forces in 1980. He also had to present proof of his education. Perhaps Barack Hussein Obama as a ligitimate BRITISH subject due to his birth didn’t have to produce those. His record in both high school and college should have been available. I can’t believe someone so “gifted” and “accomplished” could have gone through three colleges and not left an indelible mark.
If any of his college records show he was enrolled as a foreign student, that alone would disqualify him for the office of president.
He is not ligitimate!!!
I totally agree with you, and I agree with Donald Trump–why NOT deliver the birth certificate? On the other hand, maybe he WAS born in the U.S. but could the BO “machine” (Van Jones and other known Czar-and-other thugs) have positioned this as an issue in order to “divert” people’s attention, and also to give the “machine” an issue to allow them to label those that question his citizenship as weirdos, radical tea partiers etc.? I don’t trust that we can take ANYTHING at face value that this Administration hands out–ALL that they do and say has subversive, dual meanings. What a way to live! Gotta get rid of these bums.
The answer is simple.
The President allows and encourages the question because it distracts many of his enemies so they’re not pursuing issues that would persuade the potential undecideds.
It’s exactly like telling a ten-year-old you have a secret but not telling him what it is. Adults don’t evolve too far away from ten year olds unfortunately. So here we are.
I agree, Chris.
Chris, your comment (which is somewhat insulting) assumes that those who ask questions do so as a their sole form of activism.
Is your assertion that by bringing up the topic I’m unable to focus on other issues or political battles?
If it is… that would be absurd.
The significance of the birth certificate is inestimable. If Obama is not a natural born citizen, he is disqualified from being president. In practice, this means that every law he signed as president of the United States is null and void. His signature was not worth the price of the piece of paper on which the bill was printed, in my opinion. There is also some question about whether or not Biden, as acting president, could go back today and sign the bills to validate them. Congress probably has some rule about that. The Tea Party should all be “Birthers”. We could accomplish a whole lot in a very short period of time. Disqualification is nothing like impeachment of a formerly qualified president. It means that from his first day of office, he did not have the authority to be acting in the capacity of president of the United States.
My hat is off to Donald Trump for making the final push to certify our current president. If he cannot be certified, our budget deficit will automatically decline, due to all of the voided laws requiring massive spending. ObamaCare anyone? Is there a Republican now who would not want to be a “Birther”? I take the term as a compliment, and I am a very new “Birther”. Congress in 2010 and the demise of over 2 years of laws would not be a bad record. Now, if we could only come up with a reason to relieve Biden of his position as V.P., we would have it made. “Three fers” anyone? “Yoo hoo! Anyone out there know anything about Biden?”
Lots of strong opinions and suggestions abound on this issue, for obviously good reasons. I commend Trump for reviving the debate out in the public view, as it is the public (America defined) that deserves much better answers than have so far been provided. At the VERY LEAST, Obama is guilty of subterfuge and extremely poor judgment, accompanied by previously unseen levels of arrogance and disregard for the legitimate concerns of his constituency. At most, he is guilty of heinous crimes and fraud that would, in previous times in this great nation, have earned him a trip out of town on a rail, post-tarring and feathering, of course. Personally, I find his over-confident incompetence to be infuriating and galling, while his very possible ineligibility to hold the highest office is shocking and abhorrent to contemplate, and certainly demanding of no less than his clamorous and ignominious ouster. In any case, a fraud and a charlatan; undoubtedly the most destructive and damaging POTUS in the history of America.
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The issues seem highly simple, when looked at from simple deductive reasoning:
#1 There is clear language expressed within the US Constitution that I’ll paraphrase to state, to wit: The President must be a natural-born citizen in order to qualify for sitting as a US President. This is not contested!
#2 It is settled fact and (uncontested) that Barack H. Obama Sr. was a British Citizen as of the date of BHO Jr.’s birthdate, and the former Obama is clearly listed as the latter’s father…thereby making the newborn Obama, subject to both the British and United States under joint allegience.
#3 It is settled fact that joint allegience by any newborn, disqualifies him or her as a Natural Born US Citizen…and therefore ineligable to serve as the President of these United States!
#4 As a degreed Doctor of Jurisprudence, Obama is as a result of this, an Officer of all the Courts within the US Judicial System…including all Federal Courts, in addition to being a purported US Constitutional Scholar. Obama has no defense of failure to know the laws and therefore is liable for his fraudulent acts perpetrating this hoax upon the public.
Conclusion: It is our shared responsibility to demand of our Congress to launch a formal investigation of these facts, crimes, and allegations, and if affirmed, to call for immediate filing of papers to remove him from office, and to cause him, his associates, his eligibility committee within the U.S. House of Representatives including former speaker, Nancy Pelosi, his co-conspirators and all accomplaces, to stand trial in US Federal Court for the charges of Treason, Fraud, and Conspiring to commit a public hoax responsible for usurping the United States Constitution and all of its laws.
Thank You
Mitch Reed
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O.O.O. Obsessing On Obsession…the documentary.